Well, I like playing Zelda on the Wii, but in general, I'm much better at computer interfaces, so I'm not sure if I want a wii type motion control for WoW. Plus, I think it would be difficult with all the different spells you can cast and all. In Zelda, it's like, swing, or swing.



What I fantasize about is a stationary bike that is set up with a computer that has WoW on it and enough keyboard and mouse space to be able to play. While we're on the topic of running in place to run, it would be pretty cool if you ran faster when you peddled faster and the like.

I think this is an interesting conversation. I generally agree that practicing calorie restriction doesn't mean you are anorexic or have an eating disorder, but I also agree that the emotional and psychological effects of starvation are not to be ignored. I think some of the responses really blow off the article, but it's not so completely off base.



The author says, "Are CRONies anorexic? No, not exactly, except in rare cases like Al's, where fear of eating has progressed to such a lethal stage that it would be hard to label it as anything else." Which I think is pretty hard to disagree with. However, she follows that up with, "But in many cases, CR rises to the level of a different eating disorder, a new one, in which talk of better health and longevity cloaks other unspoken, and possibly unconscious, motives."



This would need to be picked apart more. Many of you have responded as though the author wrote "but in MOST or ALL cases," when she only wrote "many." However, even many may be taking it too far, it may be more appropriate to say "some."



She certainly picked some people to interview who were on the more extreme side of the situation, and I think that skewed her article to make it more sensationalistic. Sarah's response, here, may be an example of a more moderate approach. (Although I must comment that the libido problems are noted to be much more common in men, and Sarah being a female, it wouldn't necessarily be expected for her to experience it anyhow.)



I think, really, at the heart of the question is how one is responding emotionally and mentally to the calorie restriction. In my opinion, if it takes over your life to the point that you can barely have a conversation without food coming up, and you think about it all day, or other thought aspects, then you have a disorder regarding food whether or not you weigh 96 pounds. I have a history of eating disorders, mostly bulimia, and I know about the excessive mental capacity that an eating disordered person can apply to food and food alone. I gave up bulimia 3 years ago, and since then I have been on some healthy diets that involved calorie restriction. The HUGE difference is not how my body reacts but how my mind reacts and deals with the diet.

Glad you had fun with it!

Hi J,



I feel pretty similarly to Brad on this one. I know you really want to lose weight, but I think you may want to think about ways that focus on the positives instead of the negatives. First, if restricting your diet is really leaving you feeling unsatisfied, maybe you can focus on even more exercise instead. Net calorie intake is what matters, so more exercise has the same effect as less calories eaten. Plus, it has the added benefit of getting your system used to burning calories rather than possibly making your metabolism think that you need to conserve because there's a famine out there.



Secondly, don't beat yourself up over small mistakes. Your recorded diets look pretty good except for a few spots here and there, and you have to realize that if you're going to stay healthy, you have to plan an eating schedule that you can handle. Perhaps try allowing yourself those small treats on a more regular basis, so that you get a little fill and don't feel the need to binge on a whole bunch of treats when you finally lose it.



Good luck! I know you'll find a way that it works out for you.

My assumption was that it's based mostly on how much you want to lose, how many days you want to lose it in, or how much you currently weigh - that seems to fit what I've seen of it so far - it changed when I changed my current weight or my target.



My guess, since it doesn't change with workouts added, is that it's a suggested net caloric intake rather than suggested total caloric intake...meaning if you work out you may want to eat more than it suggests.

Wow, that's a really creative way to get so many muscle groups worked out of Wi boxing!

I agree with blest, 9 days isn't so long. You'll get out of it.



everyone's advice about rechecking your caloric intake for your new size and varying your exercise routine sound good to me!



Since this is the before & after forum....got a before picture? I'd be awfully inspiring!

Anyone else in this group a recovered bulimic, anorexic, or compulsive overeater?



I am a recovered bulimic (yay! It's amazing how different my daily thoughts are now - and I've been healthy now for almost 3 years!), but I still occasionally struggle with binging. Just found traineo a few days ago, and signed up. I'm joining this group, because I think that my past as a bulimic affects many decisions I still have, especially regarding my decisions when I try to be fit. I want to work out hard but I have lingering fears of going overboard and regressing to my previous disordered health.



Any other ex-ED's out there, please share how you deal with memories of the way you used to think!



-Holly

I'm a stress eater too. I would give it away if someone gave me a gift of chocolate...or that's what I'd recommend anyhow...whether I would or not in such a circumstance is a different question. But I certainly think, if you're eating healthy generally, it's not a problem to just keep the gift - everything in moderation!

Just found traineo and signed up today....and was drawn to this group immediately. I haven't tried using the Wii for a rigorous workout yet, but I have played enough Wii sports, particularly with tennis, that I've had to switch to playing left-handed to give the right arm a rest. I can't wait to try a more rigorous wii workout such as those mentioned here!