http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.html traineo forum thread - Going Vegetarian? Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:50:23 +0000 http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlYou know... I have a friend that competed for a while (I think he was in highschool at the time)... and he said he was vegan for a full year... I'll ask him about it... because yeah... I'm curious too... I don't know of anyone in the mags that could be pointed to... I"ll get back if I can find someone in that arena... Later!...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlThu, 17 Jul 2008 13:50:23 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlHigh-larious. You work at a KFC yet cry about animal cruelty? You do understand the definition of hypocrisy right? CM, I made those statements in regards to a vegetarian bodybuilder. I meant that a veg bodybuilding would be incredibly expensive. Consuming a clean diet that has a lot of veg protein would probably be more costly than just eating chicken breasts until you explode. A successful bodybuilder would be one that has achieved in competition. I think finding a successful veg heavy...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlThu, 17 Jul 2008 12:31:22 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlI don't imagine it's just KFC. I grew up in Alabama with tons of "chicken houses" around, and I've heard plenty of stories about how they get slaughtered, and I've witnessed the deplorable conditions in which they're raised. Unfortunately I can't stomach being and advocate for PETA, etc, because it would make me so depressed dealing with that stuff I'd probably shoot myself. I know it's not the right answer, but the sanest thing for me to ...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlThu, 17 Jul 2008 12:28:12 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlAww that sounds cute how they go wondering around. I know what chickens are like, how they're curious. But its sad to hear they keep losing a memeber. And yeah there's food right in front of them. We have a little chicken coupe, but at night time somtimes something would kill them because we'd find one gone every now and then. So we've had to build a fence around that area so we lock them up at night and let them roam free during the day. Pretty sad really, now we&#0...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlThu, 17 Jul 2008 05:29:59 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlI also recommend the book Eat To Live! It was a great resource for me.http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlThu, 17 Jul 2008 05:15:12 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlI love chickens. My neighbor had a few (I don't think she was allowed, but whatever). Absolutely adorable! My aunts guinea hens are adorable, IMO. She says they're so ugly they're cute. They're a little...uhm...challenged, though...they keep going into the woods and losing a member of their group, when there's plenty of food and such on the 5 acre farm. I want to go be a pest in front of KFC, but we don't have one around here....http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlThu, 17 Jul 2008 02:53:42 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlI work at KFC, and I just saw that website about the cruelty... lets just say many emails just got sent out and petitions were signed. It's horrible. The reason why it affects me is because I live sorta on a farm... no cows or anything, but we have chickens running around the place. I love them cause they're so cute. They're like pets. No one really thinks you can have chickens for pets because most people think they're just for food, right? Well for me they are cute ...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlThu, 17 Jul 2008 02:35:19 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWell of course people can be plenty healthy eating animals.... I'm a meat eater and quite healthy... However, the individual starting this thread was looking into going Vegan or a percentage there of. Hence my recommendation. If you're going to go vegetarian... one should do it with a foundation of intellegence... and not just start eating carrots and hope everything pans out... (not that anybody suggested that) I suppose depending on where you live would direct the cost of your foo...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 21:44:47 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlQuoting: twinchaserand even a bodybuilder can be quite successful... I'm sure there are a couple people out there that might be able to get big. I assure you it is incredibly expensive, they are an extreme case of impressive biological utilization, and they aren't "successful" in the classic sense of the word. You can be plenty healthy eating animals too. It's worked pretty well for most of us humans that eat smart....http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 21:04:45 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlHey there... I'm not a vegan... but have a few friends that are SERIOUS vegans... and almost totally raw... I've learned in the last few months that a proper vegan diet will not be cause for malnutrition... and even a bodybuilder can be quite successful... My favorite reads on this are EAT TO LIVE and Green for Life The Eat To Live book is often recommended to people on the brink of death do to terrible food lifestyles... who are on their way to triple by-pass etc.. IT is strict...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 15:56:14 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlQuoting: QueenFoolEwwie...know any cruelty free brands? No. Honestly, being capped with a gun at an early age is one of the least cruel ways to go. It's better than being bludgeoned until knocked unconscious, throat slit and hung on a meat hanger until it bleeds out, which is how they kill horses at some slaughter houses. It's cheaper to hire someone to knock them with a hammer than it is to buy bullets....http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 15:15:15 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlQuoting: fauxvirgoIf you're going vegetarian for animal abuse reasons, you should go to PETA's website and see what goes on at dairy farms though. The babies are locked up in crates from birth and sold to slaughter for veal. Any males left over are thrown in a pit (mas grave) and shot. No animal industry is going to be 100% animal friendly. Ewwie...know any cruelty free brands? I haven't had veal or lamb in about 10 years. What they do to the baby cows (not sure about lamb, ...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 15:03:45 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlQuoting: QueenFoolAnyone have a list of what veggies contain what amino acids? Hence the reason I suggested you buy a book. Nutritiondata.com has a AA breakdown for most foods. Whey is milk derived, so it should have a complete AA profile. If you're going vegetarian for animal abuse reasons, you should go to PETA's website and see what goes on at dairy farms though. The babies are locked up in crates from birth and sold to slaughter for veal. Any males left over are thrown ...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 14:54:25 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlIsn't whey protein made from milk? Because I'm -not- going vegan. I'd like to switch to organic milk (if it wasn't so damn expensive) though. So, if I'm vegetarian, I can have whey supplements in a glass of milk, right? Because I enjoy those. Anyone have a list of what veggies contain what amino acids? I really only eat broccoli, spinach, corn, and carrots (and tomatoes...but they're berries, not veggies...). I need to mix it up some more....http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 14:50:49 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlQuoting: BourblasterRemember that most protein utilization from plants hovers around 50%, so you need to eat twice as much to equal the protein you get from beef. Yep, yep. Most plant protein is embedded in layers of cellulose, which must be physically stripped away during the digestion process in order to make the protein available. Us humans aren't very efficient doing that; it works better when you have multiple stomachs (grazing animals). The utilization is much higher when you ...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 14:48:47 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlMy veg colleagues frequently show me that same PETA video. It only makes me hungry. Also, I know you aren't a weightlifter, but if you were you would struggle to get your protein requirement with veg protein alone. Remember that most protein utilization from plants hovers around 50%, so you need to eat twice as much to equal the protein you get from delicious beef. There is no way I'd get to 200 grams with veggies, I'd have to eat 5 cans of beans every day. My wife would ...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 14:42:35 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlIf you need amino acids in your diet. You don't need to eat meat. Use Bragg Amino. You can buy it at any natural store or natural section of your supermarket. Bragg Liquid Aminos is a Certified NON-GMO liquid protein concentrate, derived from healthy soybeans, that contains the following Essential and Non-essential Amino Acids in naturally occurring amounts: 16 Amino Acids Alanine Arginine Aspartic Acid Glutamic Acid Glycine Histidine Isoleucine Leucine Methionine Phenyla...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 12:49:21 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlONE THING YOU ALL FAILED TO MENTION is the amino acid profiles of vegetable proteins vs animal proteins. "Protein" is a group of amino acids. All the amino acids are lumped together on the nutrition label as protein, so you don't really know which amino acids you are consuming without further research. Animal sources such as meat, poultry, eggs, fish, milk, and cheese provide all of the essential amino acids. All essential amino acids may be obtained from plant sources, an...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 12:43:17 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlI became a vegetarian almost two years ago. For lent I decided to give up meat. Then, two weeks into lent, a friend sent me a link of a PETA movie. I watched it, and since that day I decided that I will no longer eat meat. Because of medical reasons I have to start eating fish once in a while. But I have given up red meats and poultry/game. Although I'm not a vegan, I do like cook vegan dishes once in a while. Just because I want to know if they taste any better or worse! So far I have ma...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 12:40:18 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlEw, KFC's nasty. So greasy... Thank you guys so much. Oh, I guess I forgot to mention...spinach is up there with carrots and broccoli for my favorites! So eating that is absolutely no problem. Yummy! For the iron thing, I'll look into supplements and such. I know I felt 10x better when I started taking a multi-vitamin, and when I mentioned that my mother suggested I might have had a very mild iron deficiency that I didn't notice. Who knows? I think I'm going to sl...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 12:30:11 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlI think the key as others have said is eating healthy sources of protein such as beans, tofu etc... I tried going veggie twice, once when I was a teenager (eventually gave up that time due to harassment from my mother to eat the same as what she was cooking for everyone else!) and then last year for about six months. The second time I replaced meat with the likes of cheese, eggs etc. which turned out to be a bad idea as my cholesterol shot through the roof!!! I'm not a big fan of beans o...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 11:12:48 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlI was vegetarian for much of high school (I'm just graduated college) and my biggest issue was iron intake, I was definitely not getting enough. Given, I wasn't really a "smart" vegetarian and my eating habits were not as good as they are now, so that majorly contributed to the problem. I've been considering going vegetarian again, for both health and personal reasons (in addition to animals being like, so fucking cute, my boyfriend is a life-long vegetarian and I cook...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 06:00:26 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlas long as you make sure to eat a balanced diet, plenty of resh fruits and veggies, tofu and soy are also great, you should be fine. my sister decided she would be a vegitarien when she was 12, but she was a junk food veggie, and thus ended up with a weak imune system, mood swings, and rotting teeth, so you do have to be careful....http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 04:23:53 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.html*Women of child bearing age DO need to be careful with iron intake! Iron is lost because of menstruation each month and puts you at higher risk of iron deficiency anemia. You can do a search online to look at all of the symptoms, but they include shortness of breath, feeling lightheaded, weakness, and cold hands and feet. That being said... It may be true that meat sources of iron are better absorbed by the body, but you can certainly get it from other places. Cereals and breads are for...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 02:24:13 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlThank you. I adore veggie burgers, always have. They taste so much better (except the ones at Ruby Tuesdays, which are gross). Mmmm soymilk. Another yum. I'm not looking into going vegan, especially not just yet...I'm going to at least switch to organic dairy/eggs, though (preferably free range eggs), though. Thank you very much! Ugh I didn't even think of the whole Sunday thing...my dad makes a big fish dinner every Sunday...if I don't like what's being cook...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 01:18:23 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlMikaela, My daughter, 15, has also been battling the idea of going vegetarian. We had this conversation today, in fact. To answer some of your questions. There are many different types of vegetarians. A true Vegan does not consume any meat, fish, poultry, poultry products, milk products, etc. Other vegetarians choose not to eat meat, fish, or poultry; however, they consume poultry products and dairy products. In our house, we tend toward the second one. We do not eat meat or poultry; h...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 00:48:36 +0000http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlFor the past few years I haven't really liked meat. I eat it, though. I've always felt bad for the animals, even though I'm fully aware humans are meant to consume meat and dairy. I recently learned that meat consumption accounts for almost 18% of carbon emissions (transporting the meat, and growing grains to feed the animals). The thing is, I want to be well informed before I claim anything or do anything. Anyone want to answer some questions? Are veggie burgers/tofurkey/th...http://www.traineo.com/9_6267_0.htmlWed, 16 Jul 2008 00:20:22 +0000