Maybe you should look at the week differently and pick 3 dd (not back to back you know you can do) . If you do two updays together that is O.K. Now that I have a lost 25 pounds and am 10 pounds from goal, I will even do 3 updays, but then I make sure I follow with dd/ud/dd/ud.

Like Minu said, you may just have to get through some of those on a dd. I have done restaurants now a couple of times on dd. The best is if it is a chain I can get online and find the calorie content of meals. If not, I order a salad with grilled chicken - dressing on the side. Last winter I was in a big all day planning meeting with my colleagues. We are teachers so the highlight of the day is going out for lunch. I told my friends to go without me...... ( I really didn't want to hold them back) They wanted to go where I could.... so we went to SUBWAY. It has a way of working out. You won't feel deprived, because unlike any other diet, you will be able to enjoy those meals out on up days! Enjoy

Welcome, BL!

You mentioned that you feel your eating out obligations will make it hard to stay with JUDDDD. Consider what you would have done on some other diet. If your meeting falls on an up day, eat normally and enjoy. If you have a meeting that falls on a down day, order a salad with the low-calorie veggies (skip the cheese, olives, croutons, etc.), with lemon wedges or fat-free dressing--this allows you to eat something whille adding virtually no calories. You can make JUDDDD work for you. For a breakfast meeting, have some hot tea or coffee with no-cal sweetener.

Give it a try--see how it goes!

Their vegetarian sub is pretty reasonable, calorie-wise. Or, can't you also order up a salad there? That was SO supportive and nice of your co-workers to take your needs into consideration. I'll bet some of them would like to slim down, too, and probably enjoyed the chance to eat somewhere they could dine with fewer calories.

This diet is very intriguing and reading how much success people are having on this is reassuring.

I was wondering though, on this thread here:

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The Skinny On Fat
http://www.traineo.com/8_2777_0.html

I saw this comment:

You wait a long time between meals, and then, when you're ravenously hungry, you wipe out an entire buffet line. This guarantees that you'll get a larger surge of the hormone insulin than you ordinarily would. That means more fat storage.

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Has that been an issue for anyone?

Hi JJL,

That has not been the case for me and I'm going out on a limb here and say for most of those on Juddd it hasn't either. In fact, I find that on an UD I'm not as hungry as one would think. Now, admittedly I think I had a plateau for several weeks because I think I was eating too many calories, BUT, that is not the same as being ravenously hungry and pigging out. I think my choices were too high calorie because the quantity of food was not alot. I hope that makes sense! lol Once I started keeping track of my up day calories, I finally began losing again.

Sometimes at the end of a down day I swear I'm going to wake up and eat the house, but 95% of the time I wake up and don't eat until midmorning and eat normally the rest of the day.

It's truly something you have to try because it does seem to work against what we've heard all these years. Another misconception is that once you have more up days than down you'll put all the weight on. Many have found that this isn't the case either. If people would look at it simply as this - it's the same principle as if you'd overdone it on one day and really just watched what you ate the next day - like slender people seem to do. It's not a starve/binge thing. It's just a form of calorie-cycling that works for those who stick to it. Low carbers sometimes do the same thing clycling carbs (high carbs one or two days followed by low carb days) and it works for them.

Okay .. so I didn't mean to write a book! lol I just love this way of eating because it is truly the only plan I've ever tried that works for me, both in losing weight, albeit slowly, but mentally. I've now lost a total to date of 23 lbs., 12 with Juddd and previously 11 with counting calories (between 1200 and 1550 a day).

Hope you decide to try it!

has anyone on this diet been tracking body fat % or been doing resistance training?

I practice this way of eating, Dave, (though not religiously, as I like to mix things up with the calorie-cycling when needed), and it's indeed helped me shed a number of inches off of the ole waistline, and of course everywhere.

I've only recently returned to resistance training, so I can't comment yet on that.

Interesting - this means more to me coming from someone who's knowledge I've come to respect from all of the posts I've seen... (not disparaging anyone else's knowledge, I've just read a lot of what Minu has to say!)

I don't necessarily think that the recommended "daily allowances" have to come between when we wake up and when we go to sleep each day, as this could probably be easily spread over a few days (and if you eat 4000 calories in three days and burn 4500, you're still losing a lb over those three days). However, I really like the way my body responds to eating 5-6x per day and couldn't imagine how I would adjust to this... something to think about if I get bored w/ what I'm doing now

thanks, and keep me posted on the response to resistance training!

Will do, and remember that it IS possible to continue with the 5-6 small meal-deal, it's just a matter of shrinking them on those down days. That's basically how I first handled it. Now I usually only have 3 meals/day, simply 'cause I've gotten used to it, it's less of a PITA--and it hasn't hurt the losing, so boom.

At the very least, it's neat to try it for a week, just to see things happen.

I remember my first week trying it, I lost 4.85 pounds, and at the time, (after I had been dieting hard core for about 8 months), I really gave it a serious TEST, meaning, one day having pancakes, (k--whole wheat, but STILL, PANCAKES!), a different day actually enjoying pizza again, etc...), and on top of that, for that week, I only worked out once, so from then on, I was pretty much sold on the system.

Not even touching on great blood pressure and cholesterol readings, a low resting heart rate, and feeling perdy derned good in general.

I'm not saying that working out 7 days a week doesn't account for much of those readings, but some other folks on the plan who don't work out much or at all have also had some nice reports.

Which is illustrated by systems like "The Warrier Diet", for example.

Bottom line for me is, if something works, feels good and results in healthy reports, what the hell.

Thanks for the info Caribbean Breeze!

Yes--it's hard to argue with success!

Hmm, I think for me, the largest consumption of calories has occurred on up days when I start off with starchy foods at breakfast--it seems to keep me wanting more starchy food all day, at frequent intervals.

I haven't noticed that I feel ravenous after a day of fasting--just the opposite, in fact. The less I eat, the less I need to consume before I begin to feel stuffed--my tummy doesn't seem to need as much food to feel full.

I think people imagine that they will feel ravenous after not eating all day on a down day, but the truth is, after fasting for a while you really don't need to eat much to feel satisfied. Your stomach can comfortably hold just so much food. If for some reason you fasted for 3 days in a row, for example, there's no way you'd be able to eat 3 days' worth of calories in one sitting. You'd feel full after a normal sized meal, just as usual.

There's a certain psychology going on here--"I have deprived myself all day, and therefore I am going to eat an extra huge meal tonight." A down day doesn't really allow you enough calories for that. And an up day allows you to eat to satisfaction (though not to the point of overstuffing) so you don't feel deprived on an up day anyway.

It's going beyond satisfied to stuffed that causes problems. The down day limits me from mindless grazing and overstuffing, and on the next morning (up day) my tummy is a little bit constricted, I think, and I often don't feel hunger pangs until mid-morning or lunchtime.

I have to be careful not to let cues other than my actual hunger to cause me to eat. In other words, eating beacause it's "time," or eating because somebody else is eating, or eating because I see a picture of something delicious in a magazine, are not good reasons to eat. That's a tough problem for everybdy.

does no one post here anymore?

I think that many of us post within the Johnson Up Day Down Day diet group. It is under a flower icon of groups you can join. The threads are more specific and not as cumbersome. This has always been a great thread for newbies who are googling the Johnson Diet.

My guess is when the book comes out it will get "hot" again. Come join us in the group!!!

Hey

I've been thinking of doing JUDDDD for a bit, but I'm really worried about the Up day, because after a day of eating little more than nothing, it would feel like a waste to me if I ate 2000+ calories.

How did you guys find it at first, jumping from high/low?

Thanks

Ali,
The key is that you are tricking your metabolism. Let's say that prior to starting this you consumed 2000 calories a day. Your body got used to that and your metabolism burns accordingly. On any other type of diet we are encouraged to begin restricting calories and keep them restricted. It will work for awhile, but the body will soon say "hey, wait a minute! I have not been getting 2000 a day, so I need to slow down and store more because I must be starving". On the Judddd, You can trick your body into keeping up the higher level of burn because you aren't on prolonged deprivation. Does this make sense?
I am no expert on this particular diet, all I know is that in the two weeks that I have been eating this way, i feel lighter. I haven't weighed yet because I don't have a scale. I know that even on my up days I don't really feel like eating, but I need to to keep the body thinking that it should be in high burn mode. That doesn't mean I eat a bunch of junk, but it does mean that I eat whatever i feel like. After several down days, cravings for sweets seem to go away.
I will weigh myself on Wednesday and post my results. My girlfriend and I started on the same day and she has lost 15 pounds!!!!!!!!!

Give it a try, it really is simple compaired to many other options! I really do love it.

Well, I've been reading for 2 days and I think I'm convinced! I've been watching my calories on and off since February and I'm down a total of 26 pounds. That's with having a hysterectomy in June and gaining back 14 pounds that I had previously lost. On November 6th, I started a prescription appetite suppressant and a dr recommended 1000 calorie a day diet. I lost 12 pounds the first week and 3 pounds the second. I have maintained this week...Thanksgiving weekend did me in! I haven't been sticking to 1000 calories every day, though...more like between 1000 and 1400. I think that 1000 calories ever day is very low for me because I weigh over 300lbs. I also feel very deprived which has led to several "cheating" days. I'm thinking that with the JUDDD plan, I won't feel that deprivation and it will be much easier for me to stick to. I'm planning to start on Saturday. Wish me luck! I've joined the group, too, and I'll be cross-posting this there.

Thought I'd introduce myself. Stumbled upon this plan and started this past Friday. I did a down day on Friday and two up days over the weekend a down day Monday and an Up day today. I'd like to lose 10 lbs and I'm also very interested in the health benefits of this diet. Its hard to tell by I think I've lost 2 lbs so far (weighing after a down day). I'm a real foodie and definitely an all or nothing person...so I like the idea of being very strict for one day and then letting a little loose for a day (or two on the weekends). Most people I've mentioned this to think its crazy so I thought I might find some likeminded people here.

Hi, there, Amy! You will definitely find some like-minded people here. Check out the JUDDDD group--tons of threads!

Welcome and good luck to you!

I think you're right, Suesue!

Hi everyone! I learned about two GREAT things today - Johnson's Upday/Downday Diet AND Traineo.com, and I'm PSYCHED about both!! I've been reading about everyone's experiences with this diet plan for the last few hours and I can't wait to try it! My best friend Angela and I are both trying to lose weight, and we've been struggling together for the last year with no positive results. I'm somewhat apprehensive though because this idea sounds almost too good to be true, but from what I've heard about it so far, it seems to be working. I love food and I have virtually NO willpower. I'm also in the process of recovering from a 4 year battle with Bulimia - and after losing 60lbs. from the "binging & purging" method, I have to say.. it's SO much harder to lose weight the RIGHT way!! I'm going to start my first down day Monday so wish me luck!!!

Jessica, I see you've been trying this for about a month. How do you feel about it so far?

Hello everyone, just joined this site, looking to keep in touch with others doing JUDDD. Still learning my way around, but look forward to chatting with you.

Hi Jackie,
Welcome, join the JUDD group - there are lots of great threads over there. This thread can be a bit cumbersome - but a great welcoming start!!

Hey Everyone!
I just came across the judddd in the forums. I need to go from a 14 to an 8 by mid May. If I combined this diet with daily traing for a 12k, is it a realistic goal? Or should I go with what I know works- low carb?
Thanks for any input!

Welcome! I am new to these forums as well, but have been on and off another great site for sometime. I love JUDDD and would never go another route again.

For anyone interested, check out www.sparkpeople.com

Its a free diet website, I can't brag on it enough, I am part of a JUDDD team, and we have a balst with each other.

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I am now doing a low carb version of calorie cycling, though I am not taking my calories as low as most of you here. I got this idea from Tom Venuto's BFFM, so I decided to surf around the net for more info on calorie cycling. I have found it to be effective even w/o taking calories down to 1/4 of maintenance.

I am a man about 6' tall and weighing 321 lbs. I was about 390 when I started losing weight, but having stalled on regular calorie counting, I had to switch to low carbs. Low carbs not working, I had to find something else to shift it up. I have lost good on a 2800/1600 rotation (last summer, recently restarted).

My dilemma is that a low carb is supposed to be moderate to high fat. Low carb and low fat can actually be dangerous to the body - think Kimkins. My diet has never actually been low fat, even on my lower calorie days, but I can't keep my calorie limits on down days with lots of at in my diet. I think my best ratio is 50% fat, 40% protein, and 10% carbs. (Barry Groves, author of the plan I am following now, advises that fat comprise better than 60% of your daily calories, but that doesn't work very well for me.)

Well, I just wanted to give my 2¢.