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THE NEW ME
The Master Posts: 2856


THE NEW ME
HIGHEST WEIGHT 240 in 2000-2002 HIGHEST BODY FAT MEASURED-44% AT 170
CHALLENGE 1: SEPT 07-DEC 07 -LOSE 10 POUNDS-158-148- achieved new goal-lose another 10 by Dec 15 not achieved-Dec 15-weight 142.5 (total weight loss during challenge= 15.5 pounds) -RUN A MILE- achieved on-NOV 7 new goal-run 2 miles-surpassed new goal-run 2.5 b/w Nov 7 and Dec 15.-achieved -LOSE 5% BODY FAT-achieved
CHALLENGE 2 DEC 15-MARCH 15
-LOWER BODY FAT by 5% ( not achieved fully but as of 1/08-need to reevaluate-add muscle instead) -RUN 5 MILES-Achieved on 1/11/07 new goal-6 miles by March 15 at 5.0 speed or 5 miles at 5.5(neither achieved and not goals anymore-may try for fun) -LOSE 10 POUNDS -142.5-132.5 (not achieved but very close- 132.6)
6 month progress -lost 25. 4 pounds -lost 9% body fat -ran 0-5 miles
Challenge 3 March 15, 07-June 15 -goals -follow plan by nutritionist and trainer -main goal gain lean mass
Daily goals- -follow meal plan and move every day
Goal of beating personal best- run a marathon
weekly goals -gain muscle to the best of my ability
3 month goals -see above-reestablish every 3 months
12 month goals -maintain all the above goals
ultimate long term goal -be fit, healthy and confident with body

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# Posted: 24 Jan 2008 08:39
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Drew M.
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Drew M.
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# Posted: 30 Jan 2008 08:21
My tip: Write it down.
For some reason, when I write something down, like a goal, it ends up becoming true. Of course it has to be something realistic. I still haven't won the lotto.. yet. "Note to self: Win Lotto."
My goal is to reach my ideal weight by the end of August this year. My weight loss goal is to lose 60 lbs. I've also written down how much calories I need to limit myself (~1800cal/day) and how much additional calories i need to burn off through exercise (~500cal/day). There are days when I don't always follow through, but having to write down my weight after I weigh myself every morning reminds me to keep going.
Another tip would be to set mini-goals. Even though I have my goal of losing 60 lbs by sept, my goal right now is to lose 20lb by the end of march. The next 20 by end of June.
I know it may be an obvious tip to "write it down", since this is a forum where people write down things and traineo keeps track of the numbers for you already.
But for those just lurking around or don't know where to start, I say.. write down what you want and just let it happen.
Drew
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Monique Kamosi
Fitness Guru Posts: 254

Monique Kamosi
I'm a plant enthusiast dedicated to eating whole, fresh foods. As for exercise, I regularly participate in: swimming, water aerobics, yoga, the elliptical machine, the stair stepper, running, and weight training. I try to switch up my routine a lot so that I don't get bored. My biggest obstacle to weight loss is eating when I'm lonely or sad, but I've started keeping a list on my fridge of other things I can do to occupy my time. So far it's really been helping!
Aside from health and fitness, I was married in December 2007 and am enjoying being married and decorating our apartment. I am currently finishing my last semester as an undergraduate, and hope to begin an English MA program Fall 2009. I love reading, quilting, cooking, hiking, swimming, decorating, gardening, and striving to protect the environment. I'm also really pleased that Barack Obama is going to be our next president.
Let me know if you need a motivator! Good luck in your health and fitness efforts!
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# Posted: 30 Jan 2008 17:04
Kate, I love your advice. When I started looking at weight loss from a perspective of wanting to improve my health, have more energy, and be my best self, it's been MUCH easier to be motivated than when I hated the way I looked and just wanted to get skinny to be happy. Now I am happy and still NOT skinny, and the desire to lose weight is coming from a different place. What I'm saying is that what YOU said is totally true.
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Sgt Cyd
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Sgt Cyd
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# Posted: 30 Jan 2008 23:32
I'm new to the site and I have to tell you; I love this place! Just reading all of your tips has inspired me more.
My biggest tip to myself is be realistic. I am built a certain way and I will never have the body of Demi Moore. (I am in my 40's as well) Besides, I think it would be too much maintenance to keep it, even if I could attain it.
I use the same process as you Drew! I write it all down. Workouts, nutrition, etc. I am doing so much better actually seeing how I am doing.
Here's to success for us all!
Cyd
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THE NEW ME
The Master Posts: 2856


THE NEW ME
HIGHEST WEIGHT 240 in 2000-2002 HIGHEST BODY FAT MEASURED-44% AT 170
CHALLENGE 1: SEPT 07-DEC 07 -LOSE 10 POUNDS-158-148- achieved new goal-lose another 10 by Dec 15 not achieved-Dec 15-weight 142.5 (total weight loss during challenge= 15.5 pounds) -RUN A MILE- achieved on-NOV 7 new goal-run 2 miles-surpassed new goal-run 2.5 b/w Nov 7 and Dec 15.-achieved -LOSE 5% BODY FAT-achieved
CHALLENGE 2 DEC 15-MARCH 15
-LOWER BODY FAT by 5% ( not achieved fully but as of 1/08-need to reevaluate-add muscle instead) -RUN 5 MILES-Achieved on 1/11/07 new goal-6 miles by March 15 at 5.0 speed or 5 miles at 5.5(neither achieved and not goals anymore-may try for fun) -LOSE 10 POUNDS -142.5-132.5 (not achieved but very close- 132.6)
6 month progress -lost 25. 4 pounds -lost 9% body fat -ran 0-5 miles
Challenge 3 March 15, 07-June 15 -goals -follow plan by nutritionist and trainer -main goal gain lean mass
Daily goals- -follow meal plan and move every day
Goal of beating personal best- run a marathon
weekly goals -gain muscle to the best of my ability
3 month goals -see above-reestablish every 3 months
12 month goals -maintain all the above goals
ultimate long term goal -be fit, healthy and confident with body

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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 01:52
thanks cyd! welcome to traineo by the way. success to you as well!  thanks for your tip too!
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Monique Kamosi
Fitness Guru Posts: 254

Monique Kamosi
I'm a plant enthusiast dedicated to eating whole, fresh foods. As for exercise, I regularly participate in: swimming, water aerobics, yoga, the elliptical machine, the stair stepper, running, and weight training. I try to switch up my routine a lot so that I don't get bored. My biggest obstacle to weight loss is eating when I'm lonely or sad, but I've started keeping a list on my fridge of other things I can do to occupy my time. So far it's really been helping!
Aside from health and fitness, I was married in December 2007 and am enjoying being married and decorating our apartment. I am currently finishing my last semester as an undergraduate, and hope to begin an English MA program Fall 2009. I love reading, quilting, cooking, hiking, swimming, decorating, gardening, and striving to protect the environment. I'm also really pleased that Barack Obama is going to be our next president.
Let me know if you need a motivator! Good luck in your health and fitness efforts!
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 01:53
If you only work out/eat healthy when you feel like it, you are going to be overweight for the rest of your life.
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Dice Six
traineo Regular Posts: 29
Dice Six
When I started to study while having a full-time job at the same time, I allowed my appetite and my body to do whatever they wanted as my mind was occupied with gathering knowledge. Meanwhile my body gathered fat.
One day I got on a scale and hated the result more than usual. So it's either ending up with wobbly body parts or feeling good about myself.
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 02:37
What also worked for me was to develop an elitist taste for food. I imagine my stomach to be a small nice flat in New York. So the rent is high and space is very precious. Therefore you cannot let all the cheap junk inside.
So whenever possible spoil yourself with good quality food. Because it's more expensive you will tend to buy less, eat less and savour it more.... I mean $ 1.60 for two organic pomegranate... they better be good.
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Nikki X
traineo Newbie Posts: 5
Nikki X
Trying to get rid of the nursing school "30" before I graduate (and hopefully before I take a tropical vacation over Spring break). My diet is influenced by Dr. Joel Fuhrman's "Eat To Live" and the health benefits of raw foods. Above and beyond getting rid of the extra weight I want to feel healthy, energetic, and prevent future health problems, disease, cancer, etc.
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 04:12
Cut the crap. Eat real food, no preservatives, chemicals, etc. Stick to mostly fruits, veggies, whole grains, beans.
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maria mercedez
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maria mercedez
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 17:35
Hi guys, I have downloaded a free report from Julianne Kennedy's site and the contents are very interesting. I want to share the information here too. Don't worry, I am not talking about spams here. You can get it for free without being forced to click on links or do something’s irrelevant. Kennedy has done a lot of research on weight loss surgery and tips this report is amazing.
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maria mercedez
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maria mercedez
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 17:36
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Matt Tort
traineo Newbie Posts: 15
Matt Tort
Hi. My name is Matt and I have always had a hard time gaining muscle until I started taking gymnastics and doing mostly body weight routines. Now I have gained strength and weight and nearing my goal.
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 19:01
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Brandon B.
traineo Fanatic Posts: 78
Brandon B.
Start Weight: 263.8 Current Weight: 229.6 Goal Weight: 200.0
Start B/F%: 38% Current B/F%: 30% Goal B/F%: 22%
Last Updated: 10/21/08
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 21:16 - Edited by: spaggard
Eat 5 times a day and drink water when you're hungry.
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Ara Bruno
Fitness Guru Posts: 774
Ara Bruno
Not much to say, I like playing video games and watching/playing sports. I work as a web developer for a small company.
I think when I get into shape I want to become a volunteer firefighter.
Goal: Lose 35lbs before Cardio King
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 21:26
Even if it was spam it was informational.
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Dave Nicholson
The Master Posts: 2094


Dave Nicholson
I'm basically trying to get in shape and be healthy...
diaryofthefatman.blogspot.com
I like participating in sports but I want to be more competitive. Also I'm with Kevin Spacey from American Beauty - good reason :)
I'm looking to lose about a hundred lbs in the course of a year, and basically to just consistently get better. And I love comments and messages, so keep 'em coming!
I talk about goal setting a lot, how about I actually set some?
Well it's time to revisit goals... I didn't do too well with my end of year plans, but learned some things and changed my plans up a bit as I went along. During the 5-7 weeks of the year, I was able to put on about 8-10lbs of muscle, and stay at the same actual weight. The plan is to start the Strong Lifts 5X5 program to supplement the Couch to 5K program, and that should last the next 8-12 weeks.
I'm updating goals as well. Lowering cholesterol remains a goal, and I'll find out about that at the end of August.
Been bouncing around a bit, but getting a little stricter again and will monitor that over the next 3-4 weeks. I feel poised to really lose some weight again, so I'm looking forward to the healthy eating and additional exercise.

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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 21:57
I'll admit, I didn't download the report, but seeing "7 reasons why you becoming obese was inevitable" gives me the shivers!! Inevitable??? Unless it's 7 repetitions that you were lazy, I would stay the hell away from this report. Everybody can learn about proper nutrition and exercise, and if we all don't take accountability for the condition we got ourselves into, why would we every put forth the effort to change it?
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Dave Nicholson
The Master Posts: 2094


Dave Nicholson
I'm basically trying to get in shape and be healthy...
diaryofthefatman.blogspot.com
I like participating in sports but I want to be more competitive. Also I'm with Kevin Spacey from American Beauty - good reason :)
I'm looking to lose about a hundred lbs in the course of a year, and basically to just consistently get better. And I love comments and messages, so keep 'em coming!
I talk about goal setting a lot, how about I actually set some?
Well it's time to revisit goals... I didn't do too well with my end of year plans, but learned some things and changed my plans up a bit as I went along. During the 5-7 weeks of the year, I was able to put on about 8-10lbs of muscle, and stay at the same actual weight. The plan is to start the Strong Lifts 5X5 program to supplement the Couch to 5K program, and that should last the next 8-12 weeks.
I'm updating goals as well. Lowering cholesterol remains a goal, and I'll find out about that at the end of August.
Been bouncing around a bit, but getting a little stricter again and will monitor that over the next 3-4 weeks. I feel poised to really lose some weight again, so I'm looking forward to the healthy eating and additional exercise.

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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 22:01
And though it's partially personal taste for design, and writing, I don't like that xercise site very much! I'll spend a little more time on it tonight to see if I find it more useful, though.
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Rob M.
Fitness Guru Posts: 442
Rob M.
SW: 268 (9/08/08) GW: 185 (4/08/09)
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 22:02
My weight loss tip:
Be completely opposite from the way you have been for the last 25 years, lol. That always works for me.
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Ara Bruno
Fitness Guru Posts: 774
Ara Bruno
Not much to say, I like playing video games and watching/playing sports. I work as a web developer for a small company.
I think when I get into shape I want to become a volunteer firefighter.
Goal: Lose 35lbs before Cardio King
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 22:05
Quoting: RMontgomery Be completely opposite from the way you have been for the last 25 years, lol. That always works for me.

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Richard H.
Fitness Guru Posts: 274
Richard H.
I need to get back to 180lbs... I was almost there a few months ago! (I fell off the weightloss band wagon!)
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 22:07
Here is an example: What makes a good marriage?
1.) Commitment
2.) Passion
3.) Self Sacrifice
Apply these 3 basic rules and you can do anything -- even lose weight!
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Ara Bruno
Fitness Guru Posts: 774
Ara Bruno
Not much to say, I like playing video games and watching/playing sports. I work as a web developer for a small company.
I think when I get into shape I want to become a volunteer firefighter.
Goal: Lose 35lbs before Cardio King
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 22:08
Maybe that is why I never lost weight before... and why I will never get married ;) 
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Dave Nicholson
The Master Posts: 2094


Dave Nicholson
I'm basically trying to get in shape and be healthy...
diaryofthefatman.blogspot.com
I like participating in sports but I want to be more competitive. Also I'm with Kevin Spacey from American Beauty - good reason :)
I'm looking to lose about a hundred lbs in the course of a year, and basically to just consistently get better. And I love comments and messages, so keep 'em coming!
I talk about goal setting a lot, how about I actually set some?
Well it's time to revisit goals... I didn't do too well with my end of year plans, but learned some things and changed my plans up a bit as I went along. During the 5-7 weeks of the year, I was able to put on about 8-10lbs of muscle, and stay at the same actual weight. The plan is to start the Strong Lifts 5X5 program to supplement the Couch to 5K program, and that should last the next 8-12 weeks.
I'm updating goals as well. Lowering cholesterol remains a goal, and I'll find out about that at the end of August.
Been bouncing around a bit, but getting a little stricter again and will monitor that over the next 3-4 weeks. I feel poised to really lose some weight again, so I'm looking forward to the healthy eating and additional exercise.

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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 22:14
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Richard H.
Fitness Guru Posts: 274
Richard H.
I need to get back to 180lbs... I was almost there a few months ago! (I fell off the weightloss band wagon!)
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 22:28
Quoting: nicholman where's "FUN"????
That's #2!
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Itadaki Mouse
Fitness Guru Posts: 814
Itadaki Mouse
"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that."
-- said the White Queen to Alice in Through the Looking Glass
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 23:19 - Edited by: Tikbalang
I read in an article that you needed three things to lose weight and get fit:
1. The time.
2. The money.
3. The education.
If you only have two out of the three, you can make do. If you're missing two or more, then you're out of luck.
However, if being healthy is important enough to you then you'll make the time. It may not be easy, but you'll do it if it means that much to you.
As far as education, well I never grew up with teh Intarwebs. Not even a decent public library. You kids these days are spoiled!  There's no excuse for not knowing, except that you didn't care enough to go look.
And there you have two out of three! Now drop and give me twenty.
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Cindy N
Fitness Guru Posts: 733
Cindy N
Goals This Week: Watch the Penguins beat the Red Wings in the Stanley Cup Finals!!! Continue getting up early for boot camp Heavy Strength Training 1x/wk Drink at least 1000ml water 5 out of 7 days Avoid crummy foods at least 3 days
Goals Last Week: Watch the Penguins beat the Flyers in the playoffs!!! - COMPLETE!!!!! Continue getting up early for boot camp - COMPLETE, almost didn't make it 5/23 though Do the 1 mile test run in under 10 min. - DONE IN 10:10, close! Heavy Strength Training 1x/wk - Not this week :( Drink at least 1000ml water a day - Only 4 out of 7 days, and still no excuse May Goals: Run whole Race for the Cure 5K - COMPLETE! Boot Camp for 4 weeks starting 5/12 Get out of the "obese" range on the BMI chart (185.5)
Upcoming: Son's graduation in June (lots of family and friends visiting) 10K in September 2008
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2008 23:42
Quoting: RMontgomery Be completely opposite from the way you have been for the last 25 years, lol.
It's like that Seinfeld episode where George does the exact opposite of what he would usually do. His luck changes for the better, and things start going his way.
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Matt D
traineo Fanatic Posts: 103
Matt D
My Routine:
Monday: Lift Cardio Tuesday: Cardio and Abs Wednesday: Lift Cardio Thursday: Cardio and Abs Friday: Lift Saturday: Day Off Sunday: Cardio
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# Posted: 1 Feb 2008 06:09
Quoting: dicesix What also worked for me was to develop an elitist taste for food. I imagine my stomach to be a small nice flat in New York. So the rent is high and space is very precious. Therefore you cannot let all the cheap junk inside.
Dice that's the coolest way of thinking about eating that I've ever seen! That's a great tip.
Mine:
-Baby steps; healthy living doesn't just happen, it's all about starting slow and having realistic expectations.
-Exercise isn't supposed to be comfortable. If you're not pushing yourself a little but, you probably aren't really getting anywhere.
-Don't lie to yourself. Justifying a day off at the gym or eating bad food for the wrong reason can devastate your routine.
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THE NEW ME
The Master Posts: 2856


THE NEW ME
HIGHEST WEIGHT 240 in 2000-2002 HIGHEST BODY FAT MEASURED-44% AT 170
CHALLENGE 1: SEPT 07-DEC 07 -LOSE 10 POUNDS-158-148- achieved new goal-lose another 10 by Dec 15 not achieved-Dec 15-weight 142.5 (total weight loss during challenge= 15.5 pounds) -RUN A MILE- achieved on-NOV 7 new goal-run 2 miles-surpassed new goal-run 2.5 b/w Nov 7 and Dec 15.-achieved -LOSE 5% BODY FAT-achieved
CHALLENGE 2 DEC 15-MARCH 15
-LOWER BODY FAT by 5% ( not achieved fully but as of 1/08-need to reevaluate-add muscle instead) -RUN 5 MILES-Achieved on 1/11/07 new goal-6 miles by March 15 at 5.0 speed or 5 miles at 5.5(neither achieved and not goals anymore-may try for fun) -LOSE 10 POUNDS -142.5-132.5 (not achieved but very close- 132.6)
6 month progress -lost 25. 4 pounds -lost 9% body fat -ran 0-5 miles
Challenge 3 March 15, 07-June 15 -goals -follow plan by nutritionist and trainer -main goal gain lean mass
Daily goals- -follow meal plan and move every day
Goal of beating personal best- run a marathon
weekly goals -gain muscle to the best of my ability
3 month goals -see above-reestablish every 3 months
12 month goals -maintain all the above goals
ultimate long term goal -be fit, healthy and confident with body

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# Posted: 1 Feb 2008 14:27
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Dean Grimshawe
Fitness Guru Posts: 1182
Dean Grimshawe
I work as a Health and Fitness Coach in England. I am looking to network with dedicated athletes and grow my knowledge in this area. Check out what I do at www.warriorcoaching.co.uk
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# Posted: 1 Feb 2008 14:39
My best weight loss tip is get THE NEW ME as your motivator!!
She's awesome!!
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Dave O
traineo Regular Posts: 34
Dave O
I have a podcast and blog that I've been working on since August of 2006. I created a new email and account herre on Traineo since I can't get in touch with the folks here to forward my password. Working on a new pitbull type podcast that will be coming out in March. No nonsense NOT for the faint of heart.
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# Posted: 1 Feb 2008 14:44
Know when you're going to slip, accept it, go for it and slip (eating a cheat meal or that milkshake) and then back on track right after...the key is to identify that you slipped, but to enjoy the slip without beating yourself up.
THEN, go to the gym tomorrow.
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THE NEW ME
The Master Posts: 2856


THE NEW ME
HIGHEST WEIGHT 240 in 2000-2002 HIGHEST BODY FAT MEASURED-44% AT 170
CHALLENGE 1: SEPT 07-DEC 07 -LOSE 10 POUNDS-158-148- achieved new goal-lose another 10 by Dec 15 not achieved-Dec 15-weight 142.5 (total weight loss during challenge= 15.5 pounds) -RUN A MILE- achieved on-NOV 7 new goal-run 2 miles-surpassed new goal-run 2.5 b/w Nov 7 and Dec 15.-achieved -LOSE 5% BODY FAT-achieved
CHALLENGE 2 DEC 15-MARCH 15
-LOWER BODY FAT by 5% ( not achieved fully but as of 1/08-need to reevaluate-add muscle instead) -RUN 5 MILES-Achieved on 1/11/07 new goal-6 miles by March 15 at 5.0 speed or 5 miles at 5.5(neither achieved and not goals anymore-may try for fun) -LOSE 10 POUNDS -142.5-132.5 (not achieved but very close- 132.6)
6 month progress -lost 25. 4 pounds -lost 9% body fat -ran 0-5 miles
Challenge 3 March 15, 07-June 15 -goals -follow plan by nutritionist and trainer -main goal gain lean mass
Daily goals- -follow meal plan and move every day
Goal of beating personal best- run a marathon
weekly goals -gain muscle to the best of my ability
3 month goals -see above-reestablish every 3 months
12 month goals -maintain all the above goals
ultimate long term goal -be fit, healthy and confident with body

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# Posted: 1 Feb 2008 22:37
thanks dean!!! you arent too bad yourself! ;)
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Xyba Dog
traineo Regular Posts: 43
Xyba Dog
Just back after 3 month lay off. Put back on the 16 kgs I lost in first 6 months last year. Back to square one, but raring to go!!!
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# Posted: 1 Feb 2008 23:26
My tip would be to make all your food for the week in one go at the weekend and freeze them.
That's what I'm doing and it's great. I've cut the number of trips to the supermarket, so I don't have tempting snacks to view all the time and they're then so convenient. If you don't like microwaves then just put them in a pan and heat them up.
I normally make turkey or chicken done in Passata, or chopped tomatoes (or both), with onions and salt and pepper for flavour. I then freeze them. Now when I am heating one up I change the flavouring. So one day I might add curry powder, the next chilli and peppers and maybe the next Italian herbs. It makes for a good variety of healthy, low fat, low calorie food.
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THE NEW ME
The Master Posts: 2856


THE NEW ME
HIGHEST WEIGHT 240 in 2000-2002 HIGHEST BODY FAT MEASURED-44% AT 170
CHALLENGE 1: SEPT 07-DEC 07 -LOSE 10 POUNDS-158-148- achieved new goal-lose another 10 by Dec 15 not achieved-Dec 15-weight 142.5 (total weight loss during challenge= 15.5 pounds) -RUN A MILE- achieved on-NOV 7 new goal-run 2 miles-surpassed new goal-run 2.5 b/w Nov 7 and Dec 15.-achieved -LOSE 5% BODY FAT-achieved
CHALLENGE 2 DEC 15-MARCH 15
-LOWER BODY FAT by 5% ( not achieved fully but as of 1/08-need to reevaluate-add muscle instead) -RUN 5 MILES-Achieved on 1/11/07 new goal-6 miles by March 15 at 5.0 speed or 5 miles at 5.5(neither achieved and not goals anymore-may try for fun) -LOSE 10 POUNDS -142.5-132.5 (not achieved but very close- 132.6)
6 month progress -lost 25. 4 pounds -lost 9% body fat -ran 0-5 miles
Challenge 3 March 15, 07-June 15 -goals -follow plan by nutritionist and trainer -main goal gain lean mass
Daily goals- -follow meal plan and move every day
Goal of beating personal best- run a marathon
weekly goals -gain muscle to the best of my ability
3 month goals -see above-reestablish every 3 months
12 month goals -maintain all the above goals
ultimate long term goal -be fit, healthy and confident with body

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# Posted: 1 Feb 2008 23:45
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