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Mona Robinson
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# Posted: 19 Apr 2007 00:44


Hi, I'm new here. My name is Mona.

I goggled a question and it sent me here.
So here goes. Hope you can help.

I've always exercised and I know it's important,
whether you're dieting or not.

But I was in a car wreck and I'm paralized.
So dieting is out of the question.

I've been eating Atkins for a couple years,
just to not gain weight.

I'm really tired of it.
I can't even eat splenda or I'll gain.

Anyone here know a miracle diet?
Where I can lose w/o exercising any?
Where I can eat carbs?


Mike M
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# Posted: 19 Apr 2007 16:32


Well, eating fewer calories than you do now (if you're maintaining your weight) will certainly help you drop a few pounds. Many of the members here recommend http://www.fitday.com for food logging. It's a great site that will help you keep track of your calories. If you maintain a 500 calorie deficit from whatever allows you to maintain your weight (and keep decreasing your daily caloric intake slowly as you lose weight), you should see the pounds slowly come off...

And, you should be able to eat anything you want as long as you're tracking the calories and getting the proper nutrients (FitDay reports will help with nutrient logging too!). So, bye bye Atkins.

Hope that helps. Sorry I didn't work a miracle though ;]


Mona Robinson
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# Posted: 19 Apr 2007 16:58


Thanks for answering.

Health wise that's the optimum soultion,
but in my world it doesn't work.
I've got down to 500 calories a day & didn't lose.
We know that's not healthy!

On Atkins I've been eating this for breakfast:

1 egg omelet with mushrooms & 1 slice of bacon.
spray olive oil

Today:

2 fried eggs in pour olive oil
1 and 1/2 slice bacon
1/2 slice whole grain toast with real butter
black coffee

I haven't had bread in so long I thought I was sinning!!!

was going to eat a jalopena pepper
(to reve up my metabolism)
but my aide forgot it
I will tomorrow

I went overboard
tomorrow 1 egg
1/4 slice bread
1 bacon
spray olive oil

I have low blood sugar
so guess I'll try a low glycemic diet:

6 very small meals a day
no more than 250 calories each
combined with fat burning foods
fruit in between meals

~so boring~

any suggestions would be appreciated

again thanks!


John Stephens
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# Posted: 24 Apr 2007 10:18


wow yeah you're situation is special. Can do you upper body workouts? If so thats a great way to get you're heart rate up. As far as eating you may have to gain a little weight first before you can loose it again. I recomend eating atleast 4-5 meals a day to start perhaps in the 200-300 cal range. None processed foods. Low sodium and low fat.

I recomend lots of grilled chicken/fish and steamed veggies. now the chicken will get you tons of protein which you're body needs and the steamed veggies will be clean complex carbs that you body will like as opposed to simple carbs that come in everything these days.

If working out in any way shape or form is impossible you will have to change you're metabolic rate by eating more meals a day so you're body knows it can use what you give it. You not being really active it makes that difficult.

But, I would think you could eat 1000-1200 cals a day even just doing nothing and be able to maintain. Sure in the begining you may gain weight but, give it a month and see where you are at.

Also due to you're special circumstances you desperatly need to hire a nutrionalist to work with you're specific needs and day to day activities. I would start there and see how it go's.

You need someone who can develop a program special just for you since you won't be able to do what most of us can.


V M
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# Posted: 24 Apr 2007 11:37 - Edited by: VernMcC


At the risk of soundling like a NS promoter, I thought you might like this woman's Story. She has MD and is confined to a wheel chair and has lost over 80 pounds.



Vern


V M
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# Posted: 24 Apr 2007 11:46


Quick Note, the story was last May when she was down 60ish, I just checked her profile this morning (requires membership at NS) and she is down just shy of 85 pounds as of last Friday.

(Second post because after waiting 5 minutes I still get the 15 second antispam message when I try a second edit of the message)


Mona Robinson
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# Posted: 24 Apr 2007 18:27


Thanks John,
You're right. That's about the only way to do it. If it'll work. So I've switched from Atkins to a Glycemic Load diet, eating 5 meals a day, all meals 300 cals or less. Eating fat burning food, fruits, good fresh veggies.

Atkins worked great. I did lose weight. The only diet that has worked for me without exercising. I can do some upper body exercises. I need to work on what I might can do. Esp. for my heart. I got tired of eating only certain food, and never eating anything sweet. Unlike others that could, I couldn't eat splenda or heavy cream, or lots of cheese.

I can't afford a nutritionalist.
But have read extensively, and have a good plan.

VM, thanks Donna's story was inspiring. I can't afford NS.
But love to read about others losing weight in a wheelchair.


Joe N
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# Posted: 25 Apr 2007 21:58


This may sound a little silly but how about juggling? Its fun and doesn't require strength. It should improve your hand eye coordination and it can provide aerobic exercise. Take a look here.


Mona Robinson
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# Posted: 25 Apr 2007 22:56 - Edited by: monaonwheels


Thanks for posting Joe.

I bet it would help & do all you said,
but my hands are paralized.
My wrists work & I use a splint to type,
but I don't have any grip or finger movement.

Thanks for trying.


V M
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# Posted: 26 Apr 2007 00:25


Mona,

You don't necessarily have to be able to afford NS. First, while it costs me ~$300 a month, my food bill only went up by $100 a month. But then I already ate pretty good. There are a lot of people that do the NS plan without buying the foods, here are some of the resources that you might find helpful. Note, you don't need to be buying NS to sign up for the forums. Good luck with your efforts.

Web sites:
Amy's site on NS on your own
Christina's Page on it
Jazz Man's Page on it
NS Foods and recipes


Quoting: Stolen from a NS forum post
well - you've got a terrific start with Amy's recipes --- she's done a lot of the work for you by creating individual (for the most part) serving recipes of many favorite foods --- she also indicates at each recipe how she counts it, so you can use that as a guideline (I recommend that you also do your own calorie counts based on YOUR ingredients as packages differ and there are enough surprises in the world - lol) --- here's the "days off" meal plan for women from the NS Weekends Off program sold thru QVC (it's a 5/2 plan with 5 days using NS foods and 5 days using your own and "food exchanges" that are from the "grocery additions" that you already have ---

Weekends Off Plan for Women

There are some differences between the listing that has been shared on the BB's and what I'm seeing in the booklet --- mostly that's because the BB info is based on the "under 40" plan --- There is also no fat listed in the BB info (and remember there IS fat in the NS entrees) --- here are the plans per the booklet

Under Age 40:
Breakfast -- 1 protein + 1 fruit + 1 carb + 1 dairy
Lunch -- 2 protein + 1 salad + 1 carb + 2 fat
Snack -- 1 protein + 1 fruit
Dinner -- 4 protein + 2 veg + 2 fat + 1 carb
Dessert -- 1 dairy + 1 fruit

Over Age 40:
Breakfast -- 1 protein + 1 fruit + 1 carb + 1 dairy
Lunch -- 2 protein + 1 salad + 2 carb + 1 fat
Snack -- 1 dairy + 1 fruit
Dinner -- 3 protein + 2 veg + 2 fat + 1 carb + 1 salad
Dessert -- 1 dairy + 1 fruit

If you have 100+ lbs to lose, add 1 carb to breakfast and dinner and 1 fruit to lunch

Note --- The Weekends Off plan makes a distinction between Dairy and Protein --- The "Dairy" items are milk, yogurt, cheese, cottage cheese & parmesan (these items qualify for the dairy/protein guidelines used by many people of 100 calories, 7+ gr protein, no more than 3 gr fat - women, if you select non-dairy items for this menu item, take supplemental calcium)... The "Protein" items are chicken, egg, fish, meat as listed in the "regular" planner and should be used in the serving sizes listed in the Grocery Additions section of your booklet or online.

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now - here are the NS guidelines for each of the food groups --- please, I cannot stress this enough, use the PROTEIN only guideline for your meal exchanges and NOT the "Dairy/Protein" guidelines that work for the grocery additions to NS foods (or meal replacements) - there are noticible differences in calories for these different food groups and again, we like to limit our surprises to pleasant ones - lol

From posts of info received directly from NS counselors:
1 Vegetable Serving = 5 g. carbohydrates, 2 g. protein, 25 calories
1 Fruit Serving = 15 g. carbohydrates, 60 calories
1 Low-GI Carb Serving = 15 g. carbohydrates, 3 g. protein, trace of fat, 80 calories
1 Fat Serving = 5 g. fat, 45 calories
1 Protein (lean) = 7 Grams of protein, 3 grams of fat and 55 calories
1 Dairy (or Dairy/Protein) Serving = 12 g. carbohydrates, 8 g. protein, a trace of fat, 100 calories

NOTE: I have also seen 7+ gr protein & no more than 3 gr fat, and the occassional yogurt at 120 cal - for a dairy/protein serving in the E-Classes with Mary Gregg, NS dietitian

Free Foods = A food that is 20 calories or less... You can add 2-3 free foods to your meal plan

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And if you are preparing your own food here are the average values of the NS entrees that someone with way too much time on their hands came up with, although personally, I prefer to use food exchanges rather than do all that math (lol - I do numbers for a living and like to keep my "real life" simple":

NS Breakfast Entree averages = 150 cal, 2.75 g fat, 23 g carb, 10 g protein
NS Lunch Entree averages = 170 cal, 3.25 g fat, 26 g carb, 10 g protein
NS Dinner Entree averages = 240 cal, 5.25 g fat, 28 g carb, 20 g protein
NS Dessert Entree averages = 110 cal, 3.25 g fat, 12 g carb, 10 g protein

Daily with additions average for the Women's Under 60 Plan (Men, anyone with over 100lbs to lose and Over60 Men & Women increase daily average by the additional grocery additions): 1200 calories, 80 grams of protein, 160 gram of carbs and 27 grams of fat. Fiber averages 20-30 grams. The recommendation for sugar is no more than 10% of your total calories

1 gram of carb = 4 calories
1 gram of fat = 9 calories
1 gram of protein = 4 calories

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and to "complete" the set - here's my version of the NS basic plan for women & men - again with food exchanges

NS "Basic" Under 60 Plan:
............................................... Women & Men ................................ Men only
............................................. Grocery Additions ............................. Additions
Breakfast:... NS Entree ........ plus 1 Fruit & 1 Dairy/Protein ........... Plus 1 Carb
Lunch:......... NS Entree ........ plus 1 Dairy/Protein & Salad ............ Plus 1 Carb
Snack:.................................. 1 Dairy/Protein and 1 Fruit
Dinner:........ NS Entree ........ plus 1 Salad & 2 Vegetables ............ Plus 1 Carb
.................................................. ... & 1 Fat....................................... & 1 Fat
Dessert:...... NS Entree

If you have 100+ lbs to lose, add 1 carb to breakfast and dinner and 1 fruit to lunch - Men & Women

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...........................NS Entree
Breakfast:.. about 120 cals = 1 protein & 1 carb
Lunch:....... about 160-180 cals = 1-2 proteins & 1 carb
Dinner:....... about 300 cals = 3-4 proteins & 1 carb
Dessert:..... about 100 cals = 1 dairy & 1 fruit

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Now - you'll see variations between each of the things I've posted as well as some differences between these and how Amy calculates each meal --- ya know what??? the differences are way to little to get all hot & bothered about - pick one that makes sense to you, track your foods somehow - either by the online diary OR your own paper one -- see below for my paper tracker - note that it's actually for Maintenance, but has "spacing" for each of the first two maintenance levels AND for the weight loss version (ok there are some differences in the bitty lines and the NS menu, but it can be adapted by you easily enough if you think about it) --- you could also have NS send you a free pocket planner every few weeks (start now cause it'll take a while to get one - they are really slow with this) and use it - just mark off the "ns entree" box when you've had your "meal translation" - it's easy enough (can you spell anal??? I do both my form AND the check off box --- keeps me in "balance" with the food groups - lol)

hope this helps
lynn


Mona Robinson
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# Posted: 26 Apr 2007 00:35


Thanks I'll check the sites out.


Joe N
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# Posted: 26 Apr 2007 01:19


You may still be able to juggle.

From page 2 of http://www.foreworks.com/howto.html

If you cannot grasp
First you must learn to place and balance a soft beanbag (or mesh footbag) on your hand or forearm. Keep it there while doing other things, until balancing it and catching it when it slips is automatic. Then switch to your other hand or arm. Then begin the warm-up. If you can't hold on to one bag while tossing the other, start with two in your non-favored hand, toss the one in your favored hand, and immediately load your favored hand with one of the other two. That's the hardest part. Now begin the "How To" steps.


Mona Robinson
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# Posted: 26 Apr 2007 01:24


I have no stomach muscles.
I'm paralized from the neck down.
I can't keep my balance in my wheelchair.

I guess I needed to tell you what all was paralized.

I know you're trying to help.
I just can't do it.

Thanks


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