Good. From what you've shown here you're dead weight.

We've cut the loss.

Get out of here.

Ha, I'm not asking for your address, but a name of a town, or at least an approximation (which province, etc.) would help prove you right (or, more likely, wrong) about the pricing in your area. I'm guessing you're withholding ANY details other than "northern Canada" (because Canada is so small?) is less about privacy and security and more about keeping this charade up, but please... don't stop on account of me, this is all very entertaining to me! Believe me, I could care less where you live other than to verify the validity of your claims.

Four normal (read: nothing fancy, just plain ol chicken) chicken breasts will not cost $14 dollars. EVER. A bone-in split chicken breast is $1.99/lb here, assuming 1lb per breast, that's 8 dollars. The only place it would cost MORE for the same product is in a community where there was affluence, not poverty. Believe it or not, poor people have LESS money to spend, and companies know that so either ship lower quality products there for the same or comparable prices, or nothing at all there. At $3.50/lb there would be no market for chicken breasts even in wealthy areas, so if that was the cheapest they could get it to you for (which, again I HIGHLY doubt) they wouldn't bother since it would just spoil on the shelves.

A better, although still unbelievable, lie would have been to say "When stores used to carry chicken breasts, it was too expensive for anyone to buy, so the stores stopped carrying it."

Either way, Apollo's got it right. Step up or step out. You don't get to bitch unless you're willing to do something about it and, right now, I'm seeing more "woe is me" than action.

Hey Joanne, you have had some harsh words here... I have to say I agree with these in principle although some of them could have been phrased in a kinder way!

I have noticed that you have many complaints about why you can't do x, y or z - can't exercise because... can't buy healthy food because... can't find a man because... but come on, can your life really be that bad? And if it is, why wouldn't you try to make changes?

And finally, if you have already decided that there are no changes you can make (which is what it comes across as, to be honest) then you have already decided to accept your circumstances exactly as they are. If this is case, why are you still even talking about it??? There's no point talking about things when you have no intention of taking actions to improve them, and I think that's the problem people have with your posts.

I really hope you find a way to be more positive and make some changes! And don't leave Traineo because the whole point of this forum is interacting with people who can make you feel more positive! But you need a 'can-do' attitude for that to work... Good luck

As with all things a good exercise pattern is about willpower and desire. If you want it bad enough you WILL find a way to make it work. If that means walking in the evenings when the sun sets, or making healthy food choices, if you want to see results bad enough you can do it. But to wallow in the "I'm fat...I'm ugly...nobody loves me" mentality will do nothing to make it happen. If you embrace the "I will be healthy...I will be thinner....I CAN DO IT" mentality, you can make it happen. We all have slip ups we all have bad days....but you can make the change if you want to.

I think after reading that, I can agree it is easy to slip into being overweight because if you had your lunch break, and only had three dollars, I could see a value meal as an easy way out. However, with proper planning you can eat very healthy for the same amount. One thing I have learned over the years, Americans in general do NOT know what a portion size is any more. We think a dinner is a dinner, when in fact its usually a dinner for 2.5 people. One thing I have really been trying to do lately is split my lunches with my wife. We happen to work close to each other. So very often we will go to subway and get that foot long for 5 dollar deal, then we will split that footlong into two giving us each a six inch sub ( a full meal). So what is that 2.50 cents for lunch... not bad.. not bad if you ask me. If you are single you can do the same thing, except save that 2nd half for dinner. Think about that .

Not completely true. In the territories, as well as tiny communities where access is not easy prices rise very fast. I know someone who is moving to Baffin Island (extreme example) to teach. He has been told to pack 7 (yes SEVEN) suitcases of food (that they will cover for him to take on the plane) because the prices up there are so high.

I just looked up chicken breast prices at the Real Canadian Superstore near me (which would be considered a lower quality place to shop). Chicken breasts are on sale for $2.98/lb. Food prices in Canada, even in the bigger cities, are quite a bit higher than in the states.


I think it's completely reasonable to not want to tell others the city you live in. Especially if you live in a city/town with a small population, where it would be easy to track you down from that information. It's not like information posted in the traineo forms is hidden from everyone else.


This was my favorite line in the posts because it made me laugh. To me, to have an income where you'd be considered poor would have to be more like under $30k, but that's just me.

Hmm... this talk about food prices makes me want to suggest that everyone goes to their grocery store and reports the price of 4 liters of milk, a dozen eggs, and 4 chicken breasts (hopefully in a value pack).

Just depends on where you live. $60k some place might be poor where $60k another place means your living cushy.

True. I guess we can also extend that to what does it actually mean to be poor.

I don't make a lot of money (grad student here) but I often find I have more money to spend then my friends, even though I have a much higher rent where I live. I believe budgeting is crucial, but many people don't want to take the little time to do so. It's amazing to track your spending over a month or so to learn where you are really spending it. Always surprising.

60 K with 2 kids and a mortgage payment of $1800 month...not including electric of $400 a month...gotta love that baseboard heat....someone please tell me how that's not poor? Cause I quit smoking due to the fact that I couldn't afford either it or birthday presents for my son.

I think Neesha just meant that she considers poor on the level of not being able to afford a decent place to live or food to eat. As a grad student, I'm sure she has a different point of view.

Also, most of the people on here are getting carried away with the flamage. Maybe you mean well - like tough love or something, but Joanne has already confessed to us that she is clinically diagnosed as having depression. Just giving her a kick in the butt type thing, is NOT going to help her.

My family has a history of mental issues so I can understand to some extent that when you have those kinds of issues and without medication, you simply are NOT going to pick yourself up and do something drastically outside your comfort zone (like moving) because some days you can barely even convince yourself to get out of the bed. Even if you logically know that it would be better for you to get up and do something about it, there is some kind of block that comes with mental illness - that for 1 makes you feel like you are doomed and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it and 2 makes you deny deny deny. So those 2 things combined plus the fact that your logic is still turned on (just blocked) leaves an incredible sense of guilt.

So you are tired of reading Joanne's complaints - so what? Skip her comments if it's that hard for you, but to her, being able to come on here with some level of anonymity is probably a good therapy for her. Joanne, I hope that this hasn't driven you away for good.

Thanks Rachael, I was trying to think of how to put it, and you captured it exactly.


It's times like this when I wish we can close a thread to prevent more comments. I knew I shouldn't have posted at all in this one, but I did and now regret it.

It's unfortunate that traineo has slowly started to being taken over by a few posters who present a "I'm right and screw you" attitude. But, like life, you just gotta take the comments that help, and toss the rest aside.

For me, this topic is now closed.

i do.


it didn't. all it proved to me is that alot of people are a-holes and i am right not to trust them.with some exceptions.

not that it's anybody's business i am lucky if i clear over $10,000 a year. i have to rely on relatives and friends for hand me down clothes and certain household objects. i pay an affordable amount for rent because i am the housekeeper of the house and i do the ALL house errands on the days my body lets me leave the house. i buy my own food because the person i live with eats totally different things so we buy our own stuff.i can't drive, i can't afford bus fare in city or out of. i need first,last months rent and a security deposit to move anywhere also that doesn't include moving expenses of the important things like a bed to sleep in(cause at my income i can't afford a new one) clothes and dishes.


also MOST of you are telliing me to change something about myself that took years to grow and instill itself in me, you expect me to change it NOW. it don't work that way. it takes time and i am working on it but it doesn't change overnight.

right now i have a very serious health issue going on and haven't got clear answers yet to what i really have but have been told it may be very bad and i need to brace myself for the possibilty and i don't need this crap on top of it.so for now i am gone. i will return occasionally to update my logs, update on my health to those people who are on the friends list and send some good wishes to those same friends.i won't be posting on the forum.
congratulations boys and couple of girls you got your wish i'm mostly gone but like hemorrhoids i may be back. you win...... for now.....

same here.
bye.

Oops. I just realized that this is my thread so I can shut it down. Sorry I didn't do this sooner.