http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.html traineo forum thread - Trying to make a runner out of me... Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:07:21 +0000 http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThat kid was GREAT! Thanks for the link, Apollo.http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThu, 07 Aug 2008 03:07:21 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlQuoting: ServinghimSome of those women would kick my but just by blinking at me... This one in particular. You want inspiration? You want heart? You want bad ass? Here she is. KALLISTA PAPPAS, Age: 14. Body weight: 103. CrossFit Games. This round: 100 pound Clean & Jerk, 30 reps for time. If you can get through this video without tearing up, you're either heartless or you're tougher than any of her competitors. http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFitGame...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlWed, 06 Aug 2008 17:45:01 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlHeheh, guess that's a no-a-rooni on the digging of swimming then... And I pulled the pull-up pic from the avatar rotation--I just felt a smidge weird all bikini'd up fulltime like that. I put the pic on the thread and that's plenty, but I'm glad you appreciated it. And good on ya with the supersetting, I'll be right there with you in the cutting dept. with cardio and a lil running myself. Gotta love having a big ole pooch as a trail partner....http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlFri, 01 Aug 2008 11:50:36 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlYay, pullup picture! ^_^ Well, what I've been doing is supersets with the 10lbs dumbells that my hand can seem to handle quite well. If I try the 12.5lbs, no dice. But 10lbs seems to work well. So, with some high reps and supersetting, I can manage to tire my arms at least, if not inspire real muscle development. It'll have to do. And, if I get to running this much on a regular basis, my bodyfat is sure to drop enough for it to look like I lift heavier than I do. Heh....http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlFri, 01 Aug 2008 10:47:31 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.html8 miles! NICE, Josephine, kudo's! And what's even nicer is how you're embracing your new conduit of exersion. As for exploiting your upper body again, in a safe and sensible way--and if you're able of course--have you done much front crawl swimming? ^^If that's already been mentioned, 'scuse my outta-the-loop-ness....http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlFri, 01 Aug 2008 10:33:46 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlSo, making a runner out of a horribly non-runner type person, is entirely possible. Eight miles yesterday, loved every minute of it. ^_^ Many thanks again to everyone for all your suggestions and encouragement.http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlFri, 01 Aug 2008 10:24:25 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlCan you hold yourself up on a bike? Not much to it after you build up your abs and back, but some of those workouts may be limited also.http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 23:56:15 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThat sucks. This is all the result of the bike wreck, right?http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 23:02:35 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlIt's all been done, I'm afraid. Two surgeries and many months later, this is what I'm left with. There will undoubtedly be some improvement over the next two years, but not enough that I will be able to lift heavy. If I'm lucky, I may be able to support 20lbs someday, but the risk of re-injury is high....http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 22:42:25 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlSo there's nothing they can do about it? Surgery? Physical therapy? Nothing?http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 22:23:53 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlYeah, it's true. I actually had a bit of a breakdown when they told me lifting was out of the picture, had to go get some anti-depresants... The hand doesn't support much weight, and mobility is limited. No pushups, no pullups, you get the picture.http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 20:53:49 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlWell can you do burpees? The abuse on our hand might be an issue but doing those are tuff. Pullups/chinups with a wrap are possible. Hate hearing you can't lift. I know i'd go crazy not being able too...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 20:36:50 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThanks Shawn. Sadly, due to injury, weight lifting just isn't an option for me. I do what I can with 10lb weights, but that's all my hand will take these days. Sooooooo embarassing in the free weight room. I'm thinking of wearing a brace there even though I don't need one, just so no one assumes I really want to be using the bunny weights. *sigh*...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 20:34:02 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlFor 'bad ass' looking im a big fan of cross fit. Some of those women would kick my but just by blinking at me... http://www.crossfit.com/http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_1.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 20:30:05 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWell as far as training, that's a good bit to read. Why don't you read stuff about the mental game when you're competing? Anything for the push on that last mile of a 5k or the run section of a triathlon... EDIT: Titles coming soon.http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 18:26:08 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlHuzzah! Yeah, love that book. Highly recomended on principle, if not experience just yet. These workouts are a blast though. Totally rocked the tempo this morning. Hard, yeah, but doable and quick enough that I had plenty of time to stretch and ice a little ache I noticed in my foot.http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 18:10:13 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlYou got my favorite (Run Less, Run Faster). I'm proud.http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 10 Jul 2008 17:47:45 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThanks Rachael! Awesome, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I'll totally checked out those links. I picked up a couple books this weekend; "Your First Triathlon", "Run Less, Run Faster", and "The Runner's World Injury Prevention Guide". I already plowed through the tri book, which was a perfect primer, and I'm almost done with Run Less. Totally following that program, and already tried one of the workouts yesterday, and it was great. K...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 09 Jul 2008 17:39:50 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlQuoting: missjoeI have no interest in being "skinny", really. I want to look like an athlete, a badass. Me too Josephine! That is exactly how I feel. "Skinny" is totally not my thing. I know people who are "skinny" but probably have a BF% in the upper 20s. Here are some good references if you really are interested in sprint tris - which I highly recommend btw because they are awesome. And I have put on a crap ton of muscle training for them. trifind ...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlMon, 07 Jul 2008 17:25:59 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlHa! Love it, thanks Bean. Sorry, suppose I should have been more clear on my goals.I would be absolutely thrilled to get to the point of being a competitive 5k runner. Being competitive in sprint triathalons (at least looking at wikipedia, that's the kind of distance and such that interests me most) would probably give me fits of joy. The idea's really appealing. Naturally, weight loss will come along with this. I have no interest in being "skinny", really. I want ...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlFri, 04 Jul 2008 22:28:45 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlIt's important, while you're reading things, to maintain a sense of logic. Keep in mind always that taking a day off, or even a few days off, will not take away your fitness. It just won't. Also, ask yourself why you are doing a particular training method. Every day you go out to train, be able to answer the question "What is the purpose of this exercise?" But again, I can't really figure out if you want to be a competitive 5k runner (which would be awesome, and...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlFri, 04 Jul 2008 21:20:33 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlHUGE thanks again to everyone for your suggestions! So, I crosstrained these last two days, ZERO running except for a quick 50 ft or so to get to the liquor store yesterday before it closed. Today, I went to the track at the college down the street to see if my treadmill 5k skills would translate well at all. Lo and behold, I did my fastest 5k yet, 32:06! That's about 5 full minutes faster than my best 5k on the treadmill. Who knew? I have a mad gift for quick recovery, so aft...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlFri, 04 Jul 2008 20:14:25 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlJosephine, "running school" is only the term that I used. Like Neesha said, there are many runner clubs you can join. Do search about running clubs around your area in internet, you will find some. Many runner gear stores like the Snailplace, Road Runner Sports, have weekly running schedule, you can just go and join as you wish. I will not judge whose idea is the best or worst here. We are only telling you the ideas. Whatever best work for you is the best. Hope you find something he...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlFri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:05 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlHonestly Hills/inclines Find a small grade and run up it. Running up a slight incline will help with form. The way you have to run to do it (not a big incline btw) will cause your stride to be better on flat surfaces. For a good mile I used to run HIIT before it became what it was. I ran 4:45 miles by 7th grade. It came from running 400x400x400x400x400xetc for 8 laps. Run 400, rest 1 minute and repeat. Best Mile for me was 4:30 and best 1.5 mile for me was 6:58. I rarely ran long di...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 22:21:48 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlOh, definitely, I'm more hot on speed than distance. I'd much rather do a blazing 5k than ever run a marathon. Right now though, I think it's crucial to re-develop my cadiovascular capacity, and to eliminate the excess fat I've accumulated while going through surgeries and recovery. I also think it's crucial to develop good form. So, except for occasional tries for personal records at one mile for motivation and entertainment, I'll stick to just conditioning mys...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 19:55:02 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWant to add weight while running? Sprints, short fast, up hill, drag a sled Ever notice the difference between a sprinter and a long distance runner? Tiz a reason in High School why I could squat 450x5. When I stopped doin cross country and focused on speed my legs really started to develop well....http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 19:41:51 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlRowing, again, would put too much repetitive stress on my wrist. For the time being, it's not an option. Yesterday, in trying to think of how to get myself to crosstrain and not bloody hurt myself (my WORST nightmare at this point...), I had a thought; why just make a runner out of me when I could try and make a triathlete out of me? So, I plan to do some reading over the weekend and in the mean time, the idea of it was exciting enough to get me on a bike for an hour this morning. Swi...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 17:50:36 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlI know. This is just a depressing thread. I'd hate to think of anyone's interests in moving metal cut short. Have you considered more high intensity cardio? Like why not become a competitive rower? at least then you might hang on to some muscle mass.http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 17:26:29 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlHahahahahahaha Word. In all seriousness, I would sell my soul to be able to deadlift and bench again. But the fact of the matter is that my ligaments and bones in my wrist are just too effed up. The likelyhood of me ever putting up more than 20lbs or so without assistance is about nil. I am in the process of looking for someone who can set me up with custom braces that will put the weight entirely on my forearm, so that I can at least do some significant amount of weight. So far, no le...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 17:21:00 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlTHIS THREAD DISPLEASES ME! STOP YOUR RUNNING IMMEDIATELY AND PICK UP HEAVY THINGS!http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 16:48:16 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlI'm not sure about running schools, but a lot of running stores have running clubs (or cults ;)). I go to the Running Room which is a Canadian brand with a few stores in the US. The Running clubs are usually free to join, and have once or twice weekly practice runs where you can meet and run with other people. They also often hold clinics to help you train to run distance x (but these usually cost money). The benefit of these things really depends on the person. I had one friend who told...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 15:27:24 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWait, there's such a thing as running school??? Really? Omg, that'd be perfect, I would LOVE to have someone help me do this right. Any suggestions on how to go about finding one?http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 15:23:03 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlQuoting: tdrinkard1) differentiating between running for fitness and running to be a good runner. 2) cross-training and rest. I agree with the 2 points of Bean. It all depends on your goal. I have been running for a little bit more than 1 yr. I ran 3 to 4 times per week. The other days are either weight training or yoga. I have 1 full rest day also. There are many running school and styles. I started with Galloway run/walk. It took me thru 3 full marathons and a few half marathon. ...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThu, 03 Jul 2008 03:59:32 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlHey Bean, I was wondering what you disagree with? I think what has been said as advice is within your two points. But I always like to hear more opinions/views. http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 23:30:56 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlI disagree with a lot of stuff here. I think my success in running is dependent on two things: 1) differentiating between running for fitness and running to be a good runner. 2) cross-training and rest. Please sign up for some races and look up the Furman FIRST training program. You should be on your way, and you'll avoid injury, which I am scared you're headed for now. Running on trails or on the beach is harder for me. I guess it's important, but ugh....http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 23:01:05 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlDo some HIIT. I ran track for years and the hardest workouts were never the long runs... it was always the Sprint/jogs/sprint/jogs/etc... 8 sets of 400 like that kills... You have a few different options. Treadmills = good when you don't have another option. They help you run because its moving. I have ran with alot of folks who 'treadmill' for 30-60 minutes with ease and once their outside on a track their dead in under 20 minutes. Bump up the elevation 2-4 notches ...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 22:07:32 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlQuoting: missjoeThree workouts a day is pretty standard for me Holy cow!! So many showers and changing and hair and makeup!! Quoting: missjoeAlso, I worry about hurting myself, and like the relative softness of the treadmill vs. pavement and such. Run on dirt or ground of some type. Pavement is not good for the knees. That's awesome that you have a new love for running! ...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 22:07:21 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThanks again Neesha, lot's of great suggestions. The reason for the split, is that I'm chained to a desk at work. I can't bloody stand it, my energy level get's reved up and I will get anxious without an outlet. Three workouts a day is pretty standard for me, and is about right to actually wear me out and keep the anxiety at bay. During my lunch at work I'll usually do a mile, or some light, fun supersets, just a little something to get my blood going and make my w...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 21:48:50 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlI'd be more concerned about doing more than one workout on the same day, then doing them consecutive days. You may want to start choosing one day of the week to be a longer run, and try to add distance to that run each week. So say, try to do 4 miles this week, and then next week 4.5, and so on. Try to find a pace where you can do the whole run without having to stop. Or, if you want to go a bit faster, do 10 and 1's. The running room is a huge proponent of 10 and 1's, but we ...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 20:28:26 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlThanks all. I looked up the running vs. jogging thing, and found that definition in a couple places. So that's where that came from, and therefore it became a goal to be able to get to where I could maintain a speed of 6 mph or more for more than two minutes at a time. Which I've done now, and I feel like a badass. Heh. I can easily keep moving for 40+ minutes, so that's not an issue. I'm usually doing 5k, trying to gradually increase my speed for that distance, and...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 18:51:34 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlHey Josephine, I would suggest that you map out a couple of 5Ks to run during the year, they are great for motivation, to keep you running and push yourself. The best thing you can do to help yourself get better at running is to run down to your local library and pick up a running book and use it to formulate a running program for yourself. Running every day can be beneficial as long as you do light runs in between hardcore runs, giving yourself around 48 hours between high effort runs...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 18:38:07 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlOkay, let's just correct few of your statements first: Quoting: missjoeI just got up to real running some of the time (6+ mph) instead of always jogging (< 6 mph) There are no set speeds to go from running to jogging because these terms really have no real meaning. Pretty much anything where you would no longer consider yourself walking is running. When I do my LSD (long slow distance) runs we run at about 6:45 minute km. That's < 6mph but is considered running. Quoting: ...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 18:29:53 +0000http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlSince it looks like heavy weight lifting is permanently off my list of activities (check your mirrors, don't hit cyclists with your mini vans), I've decided to make a runner of myself. Some questions... - Pretty much all the workout plans and what have you that I look at have you running every other day. Is it such a bad plan to run consecutive days? I've only been working on it for three weeks now, but I love it, and can hardly stand to rest or crosstrain more than two days...http://www.traineo.com/11_6189_0.htmlWed, 02 Jul 2008 17:42:48 +0000